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first of all you're 100

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correct but they do exist and anyone

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that doesn't believe in them has got to

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have their head examined

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i'm just going to relate one incident

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there have been a few

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uh about six to my recognition in the

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last three three and a half years i'm a

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first officer cold product whenever you

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take the pick up on these space between

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vancouver and tokyo and vancouver hong

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kong return have been for about three

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years

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now the incident i'm going to be

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speaking about that happened on a run

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from tokyo to vancouver return trip in

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june of 1969 which was about four months

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after i first started on the

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international routes part of that was

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milk runs prince george's session but

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anyhow it's around 2 30

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a.m in the morning yeah about 2500 miles

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northwest of vancouver we're cruising at

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about 34 000 feet with the auto pilot on

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the book quite bluntly there was one

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hell of a blue flash just to the right

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of the aircraft and forward immediately

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checked

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the instrumentation as you know it's

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kind of dark up forward or you may not

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know what it does it's just illuminating

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styles so we tell you what we're going

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at

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and they were all over the place top

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down sideways the uh artificial horizon

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the turning bank the air speed the

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altitude so you can take your pick if we

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could have been 234 000 beating in the

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ground you couldn't get a reading

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that lasts for about three four seconds

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this blue blast disappeared

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approximately oh i would take a guess

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two to three miles forward of the

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aircraft and maintain a position there

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for roughly

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35-40 seconds somewhere around them

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they closed in on us rather fast all

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this time i must say i'm sitting with my

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mouth open

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i have

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just couldn't believe what was happening

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and closing us a tremendous rate of

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speed uh that distance i would say was

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covered in maybe three seconds

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the distance i'm speaking now was it

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sort of a collision course or of course

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direct collision course uh it seemed

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direct now it may have been high mid and

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low all right or left you couldn't tell

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yards and maintained a

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hovering position there

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vertical and maintain that position for

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roughly

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a minute to a minute and a half now

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let's say it seemed like an eternity

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staring absurdist what was your ground

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speed at the time ground speed would be

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about 550 knots uh

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now it maintained that position

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constantly never vary uh me or varied

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slightly but we couldn't tell

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now unless they were looking at one

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another and uh this was my first real

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experience with something now i'm sure

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everybody said they've seen them or

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thought they have seen him at one time

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at a tremendous distance but this was

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close too close pretty confident

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as steve nearly said i'm repeating

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myself now for a minute maybe a minute

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and a half

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and then it just went straight up

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straight up not right flat line straight

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up and out of sight oh five seven

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seconds just completely disappeared

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well i must say i was a little upset

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now the captain was a little calm

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um i turned to him and i said

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what the hell was it

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or what is it

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he said i don't know he said but they've

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seen him before

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they come around they have a look

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and uh i said well how about should we

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get back into vancouver so we'd contact

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the d.o.t

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and uh fill out a near-miss made air

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collision form he says i know i said

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yesterday

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i said but you gotta be kidding he says

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he'll never believe you you fill out

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that form you sign it you're quizzed by

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the dot they will make a recommendation

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nine times i was done to your company

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doctor at one people have your head

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examined and two you have your eyes

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yep yep this is an old story

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now i've seen these now this is the

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thing uh i was all fire and brimstone

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let's go let's get the hell back to

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vancouver let's tell them what's

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happened and he says they just won't

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believe you

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don't

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wasting your bother time he says i've

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been through this route before

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apologizing

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but anyhow he says that all righty it's

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bleeding is in order

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thank you but he says it's a waste of

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your time this is the d.o.t as i

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repeated before stated before they will

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make a recommendation you never see what

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the recommendation is now uh first

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impression when i got the to the right

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of the aircraft the flash and the boom

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and the bang and it was just gone i

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thought oh wow we got some throttle

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now i don't have any

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myself

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oh by the way i must say that in my

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assumption it was a disc

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yards in depth

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and it was a brilliant blue

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brilliant

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the only word i can use or makeup just

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tremendously bright

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how close do you think would you have

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any way of estimating how close do you

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think it got to you

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uh when i came to the right of the

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aircraft um it happened so fast in all

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honesty i could say no uh i don't know

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it i won't say it didn't shake the

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aircraft it shook me i may have gone to

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the end of the aircraft for a change of

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reported many times also

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how long did the instruments remain

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abnormal oh

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five to seven seconds now there was one

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at the initial path now what's the

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object

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for a lack of a better word

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maintain the distance at about 1500

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yards to the maximum a thousand that's

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the closest to the gain i'm guessing

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i guess that was in the state of shock

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there was a fluctuation of electrical

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power very minor uh for example like a

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child playing with a light switch on off

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on off

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not constantly but maybe 10 15 seconds

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apart i'd say they flickered a good half

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dozen times in the ministry that they

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but uh anyway they get to the meat of

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the matter now that's just one incident

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just correct

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not satellites they're not aircraft that

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i know of

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i carry a camera now

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good all right and

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i'm not an idiot at least i don't think

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i am the flight engineer

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myself

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and the captain seniors

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it did take place imagine that hey any

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of the passengers start some of the

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passengers on the right side of the

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aircraft four was the first class action

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scene the initial blue plus yes

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because they were asking us they were

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asking you they were asking us are we

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going to crash things like that after

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something right so there's no question

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roughly 2 30 in the morning you don't

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sir i myself do not have some pictures i

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am carrying the camera hoping someday i

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will get some but i know of two people

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who do have pictures now these pictures

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have not been turned over to the dot

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they have not been overturned over to

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our supervisory staff for the reason i

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relate it further they may send us out

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here i don't know

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out here it's called small

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they send you down there for things like

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this

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but i would love to send these pictures

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i have access to the negatives to get

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some friends meet up and they are in

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color

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in a very space place because it's the

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is a very real scientific value i'll

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make a trip out there to see them myself

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because i would not suggest to

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entrust them to the mail

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well now just to say sir

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there is no problem there uh they're 35

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millimeters wide

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there are about five people that have

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them now in our little group uh so

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there's not the idea okay

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but now the address uh uh his name is

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and it's simply department of astronomy

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department

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they shall be in the mail this weekend

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i'm looking forward very very much okay

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i'll put a return address etc and any

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all right now i'm going to jump in here

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for both of you or to both of you

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cp airline pilot would you be good

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enough to drop me a note so that i can

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contact you because i would dearly love

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to see these pictures and like dr

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heineck of course no names no back

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grille because like dr heineck i

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understand they'll take the man with a

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butterfly and it'll take you away

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there's something else today but with if

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you would we could be good enough uh to

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do so gladly mr

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station personal confidential that's

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right that's right and it'll get to me

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on open personal confidential

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and to you dr heineck uh would you like

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a copy of this of the tape of this

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particular conversation because i think

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of importance i would indeed very much

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all right we will get to you a copy of

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this tape he will send to you in

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addition uh the uh

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the films and uh i hope also see your

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airline pilot you'll get in touch with

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safe in that i have no

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intention whatsoever of a

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revealing name well that's fine sir i

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spoke to mr burns secretary there was a

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matter of discussion as long as that

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isn't mentioned on the air they won't

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know who i am because it

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i constantly picked up most confidential

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memorandums at the corner of granville

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and georgia and if anybody believes that

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they're out of their tree but that's the

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only way i ever say i come into

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possession

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certainly sir i thank you for putting up

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with me and i thank you for your time to

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listen to my story and i thank you mr

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burns for making it possible well i'm

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i'm looking forward to

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hearing from you okay myself

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okay seek the airline pilot a million

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thanks for calling